Shannon A. ([info]shannon_a) wrote,
@ 2008-06-04 16:39:00
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Politics & Gaming
In all my years of board gaming, I can't remember every playing a game where, after the game came to its definitive end, one of the players not only refused to concede defeat, but also insisted that they'd continue playing.

I mean sure, I've had games that kept going after the winner was clearly known, just because people felt we should play it out. And I've been accepting of that if it was a short game, and annoyed by that if it meant several hours more of play. But someone continuing to claim that they were in the game even after it was definitively done? Unheard of.

I suspect if someone did something like that, I'd have a hearty chuckle, and tell them that they could enjoy their game. Then the other players and I would head off somewhere to play without the player who thereafter would be known as the bad sport.

And I'd have to wonder internally if they were badly socialized or just insane.

With that said, maybe I'll be able to not write the article I was considering for next week's BoardGameNews, "What if Gaming Were Like Politics?" Because it probably wouldn't serve any purpose.



Beyond that, I'm immensely happy that Obama definitively won the Democratic race yesterday--and thus probably the presidency. I could be bitterly disappointed, but this is a politician that I'm offering up hope to, someone who I really believe could make a positive change in our country and its government.

However, there was no great celebration last night because, as I've said before, I was pretty sure it was over the day he won Wisconsin, proving that he could appeal in more than just limited demographics.

(And honestly, I was confused why the race went on at that point, let alone last night.)



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[info]dougo
2008-06-05 01:17 am UTC (link)
The game is not "definitively done" until the delegates vote at the convention. Even the "pledged" delegates are not legally bound to vote the way they're pledged.

But that doesn't mean she shouldn't have conceded by now.

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[info]tzunder
2008-06-05 11:44 am UTC (link)
I have no beef with Hilary per se but she does seem to be playing hardball a little too long.

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Hillary is still Great!
[info]cedarash
2008-08-04 02:37 am UTC (link)
Alright, today I finially decided I would vote for Obama. I had been planning to stay home for the 1st time in my voting life (that's since the '70ies). However I changed my mind because Obama raised this very point you're talking about Shannon. In the early primaries I still lived in Iowa, and I liked Obama, Edwards, and Clinton.

All promised to work for changes I mostly agreed with, but on the big issue for me, health care, Hillary had already proven she'd fight for the cause. I didn't have to go on trusting her word. What's more she said she'd never give up the fight. Exactly the issue you're complaining about. The thing is this isn't a game people's lives are dependant on this stuff. Because of the crappy state of health care in this country, and my wife's health needs, my home was forclosed on during the primaries, and now I'm in bankrupcy. Like I said, this is no game and I'm glad she's still fighting for me.

The hardball as mentioned is part of why after Obama won the primary I was no longer interested in giving my support to him. For all his talk of change his people were always ready to go negative, and the media never called him on it. One of his supporters put out the 1st negative add based on the old apple add, his supporters like Drudge and Oprah never hesitated to go negative, Drudge even had a Hillary nut cracker for sale on his site. Still around Boston you can see the Obama t-shirts that have his logo on the front and the back reads "she couldn't satisfy Bill, she won't satisfy us". So either Obama was fine with this hardball stuff, or he wasn't leader enough to control his own message.

What changed my mind was a letter I got yesterday asking for me as a Clinton supporter to vote for him. In it he praised her for the very thing you take issue with here. Obama said "Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton has never given up on her fight for the American people. Senator Clinton has shattered myths and broken barriers and change the America in which my daughters and your daughters and granddaughters will come of age."
So if your candidate can see her willingness to keep fighting for her beliefs no matter what as a positive message for his own daughters I hope you can see the value in it also. And I hope you understand why as a friend I respect your commitment to your candidate, but still have nothing but pride in Hillary's campaign.

Take care, I'll talk to you later.
Bill

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Re: Hillary is still Great!
[info]shannon_a
2008-08-13 02:59 am UTC (link)
I definitely agree that health care is a pretty big issue. I'm very hopeful that Obama will do something about it with a supportive congress. I can't imagine this country can go on much longer without a rationale solution.

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